| Colin Hodson via nettime-l on Sun, 12 Apr 2026 20:50:28 +0200 (CEST) |
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| Re: <nettime> House of Saud: Was the Iran War Caused by AI Psychosis? |
Interesting David, How do I parse the hop difference from your point of view? I assume nettime's 9 extra hops has no bearing on its shiftiness. Or does it? Colin On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 at 16:07, David Herzog via nettime-l < nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote: > > btw entertaining & provoking, > > mind the difference between nettime.org and houseofsaud.com: > > using traceroute 16 network hops are needed to reach nettime's server, > while > it takes only seven hops to get in touch with "The Royal Family". > > Please excuse me to have shortened first two network hops to keep my > traces > by myself: > > devuan@devuan:~$ traceroute nettime.org > > traceroute to nettime.org (185.210.68.85), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets > > 1 [...] > 2 [...] > 3 zrh-sa1-i.ZRH.CH.NET.DTAG.DE (217.239.50.226) 18.517 ms 18.795 ms > 21.882 ms > 4 80.157.206.138 (80.157.206.138) 21.857 ms 21.834 ms 21.812 ms > 5 r1glb2.core.init7.net (5.180.135.182) 22.929 ms 24.038 ms 24.375 > ms > 6 r2glb1.core.init7.net (5.180.135.181) 24.647 ms 14.365 ms 14.766 > ms > 7 r1zug1.core.init7.net (5.180.135.4) 14.235 ms 15.029 ms 15.463 ms > 8 r1bxo2.core.init7.net (5.180.134.84) 16.591 ms 17.470 ms 17.923 ms > 9 r1bxo1.core.init7.net (5.180.134.83) 19.061 ms 19.469 ms 20.247 ms > 10 r1zhi2.core.init7.net (5.180.135.54) 21.021 ms 15.418 ms 16.396 ms > 11 r1zhi1.core.init7.net (5.180.135.119) 18.060 ms 18.420 ms 18.794 ms > 12 r1brn2.core.init7.net (5.180.134.24) 20.630 ms 17.306 ms 18.876 ms > 13 r1brn6.core.init7.net (5.180.134.16) 19.229 ms 19.595 ms 20.028 ms > 14 r1brn4.core.init7.net (5.180.135.18) 21.621 ms 21.968 ms 22.278 ms > 15 * * * > 16 nettime.org (185.210.68.85) 18.697 ms 19.298 ms 19.849 ms > > devuan@devuan:~$ traceroute houseofsaud.com > > traceroute to houseofsaud.com (172.67.148.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte > packets > > 1 [...] > 2 [...] > 3 lon-sb2-i.LON.GB.NET.DTAG.DE (62.154.14.242) 39.533 ms > lon-sb2-i.LON.GB.NET.DTAG.DE (217.239.58.45) 31.925 ms > lon-sb2-i.LON.GB.NET.DTAG.DE (62.154.14.242) 40.545 ms > 4 ldn-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.50.18) 39.806 ms 40.499 ms > 40.475 ms > 5 cloudflare-ic-339870.ip.twelve99-cust.net (62.115.151.125) 34.475 > ms 40.426 ms 40.399 ms > 6 141.101.71.61 (141.101.71.61) 41.837 ms 141.101.71.97 > (141.101.71.97) 26.045 ms 141.101.71.2 (141.101.71.2) 48.657 ms > 7 172.67.148.131 (172.67.148.131) 25.844 ms 26.502 ms 26.940 ms > > all the best, david > > > On Sat, 11 Apr 2026, Sean Cubitt via nettime-l wrote: > > > hey Patrice > > comme d’habitude, entertaining and provoking. The problem with AI is not > that it is too clever: it is that humans are too stupid. Or too clever by > half. If the Oval Office had had the best intelligence in the world – human > or otherwise – it would always have been subordinated to the priorities of > its incumbents. To distract from Epstein and the fifty other lawsuits > pending in Washington and Jerusalem. To pitch for another term in office > (and suspension of the Constitution in the US instance). To precipitate > Armageddon if you are as mad as crusader Hegseth and his unforgivable Xtian > pastors suspending even the ‘laws’ of war. To blag access to Iranian oil > for your corporate donors. > > > > Operation Epic Tantrum was an accident begging for an excuse to happen. > > > > seán > > > > Latest book: Good (aesthetic politics 2): > https://www.gold.ac.uk/goldsmiths-press/publications/good/ > > > > > > On 11 Apr 2026, at 11:00 am, nettime-l-request@lists.nettime.org wrote: > > > > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.servus.at/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > nettime-l-request@lists.nettime.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > nettime-l-owner@lists.nettime.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. House of Saud: Was the Iran War Caused by AI Psychosis? > > (Patrice Riemens) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Patrice Riemens <patrice@puscii.nl> > > To: "<nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets" > > <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> > > Subject: <nettime> House of Saud: Was the Iran War Caused by AI > > Psychosis? > > Message-ID: <110071721.53249.1775818348946.JavaMail.zimbra@puscii.nl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > > Ciao tutte.i, > > > > I am not going to c+p this one, as I usually do. You will have to make > the effort of opening the link. You will be intellectually rewarded, tho > your already brutalised peace of mind might take a further hit. > > > > https://houseofsaud.com/iran-war-ai-psychosis-sycophancy-rlhf > > > > key sentence (immo): > > > > "The irony at the centre of this story has the structure of a Greek > tragedy." (and I may add, also its outcome) > > > > Cheers, have a Spritz! > > > > (bwo Virginie M, University of Amsterdam, with mitigated thanks ;-) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > -- > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > # more info: https://www.nettime.org > > # contact: nettime-l-owner@lists.nettime.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 34, Issue 6 > > **************************************** > > > > > > -- > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > # more info: https://www.nettime.org > > # contact: nettime-l-owner@lists.nettime.org > -- > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: https://www.nettime.org > # contact: nettime-l-owner@lists.nettime.org > -- # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: https://www.nettime.org # contact: nettime-l-owner@lists.nettime.org